Comments on: Mexican Gray Wolves in the Wild http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/ Examination of the Wolf Reintroduction Program & Wolf Education Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:23:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Marnie http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-12856 Marnie Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:00:39 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-12856 I am so sick of these wolf lovers who think they know what is best for the rest of us who live with these killers (wolves). I bet if Mr. Carnegie has lived through the wolf attack that took his life he could tell you a thing or two about habituated wolves. We have had wolves close here to where we live, approach a 72 year-old woman on horseback and continually watch us. I was able to drive within 20 feet of this wolf and it showed no fear. It eventually moved off. The same wolf in broad daylight showed no fear of humans driving by it continually along a busy highway and continued knawing on the bone it had scavaged. When to the animals (wolves included) quit paying the price for STUPID people. I myself have no problem with eliminating problems before they occur and will do so when forced with no alternatives. I resent other people who think they know what is best for my life raming their stupid ideals down my throat and up my other orafice. I really wish they had these ideals up theirs. I use to support the wildlife programs when I lived in the cities, but after witnessing firsthand the devastation to people and their lives, not to mention the other resident wildlife animals, I will not and can no longer tolerate the Egocentrics who support these type of programs. Just do some reading on what happend in countries such as Russia and others when the government took away the right for citizens to bear arms and the wolf attacks escalated when they no longer feared humans. "Idealism without Realism cancels all good intentions. I support gathering up all existing wolves and releasing them in the ninth distict of California and Tucson where these walking humans without brains exist, thrive and continually delude themselves into thinking they know what is best for everyone. They really need to get a life!!! I am so sick of these wolf lovers who think they know what is best for the rest of us who live with these killers (wolves). I bet if Mr. Carnegie has lived through the wolf attack that took his life he could tell you a thing or two about habituated wolves. We have had wolves close here to where we live, approach a 72 year-old woman on horseback and continually watch us. I was able to drive within 20 feet of this wolf and it showed no fear. It eventually moved off. The same wolf in broad daylight showed no fear of humans driving by it continually along a busy highway and continued knawing on the bone it had scavaged. When to the animals (wolves included) quit paying the price for STUPID people. I myself have no problem with eliminating problems before they occur and will do so when forced with no alternatives. I resent other people who think they know what is best for my life raming their stupid ideals down my throat and up my other orafice. I really wish they had these ideals up theirs. I use to support the wildlife programs when I lived in the cities, but after witnessing firsthand the devastation to people and their lives, not to mention the other resident wildlife animals, I will not and can no longer tolerate the Egocentrics who support these type of programs.

Just do some reading on what happend in countries such as Russia and others when the government took away the right for citizens to bear arms and the wolf attacks escalated when they no longer feared humans.

“Idealism without Realism cancels all good intentions. I support gathering up all existing wolves and releasing them in the ninth distict of California and Tucson where these walking humans without brains exist, thrive and continually delude themselves into thinking they know what is best for everyone. They really need to get a life!!!

]]> By: Ryan http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-12058 Ryan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:38:44 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-12058 Tori, So were the indians, they probably had a camp where your house was located.. You want to give it back to them. Tori,
So were the indians, they probably had a camp where your house was located.. You want to give it back to them.

]]> By: Sick of wolves http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-11971 Sick of wolves Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:33:46 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-11971 Relocate!? WHERE!!?? How 'bout your backyard sounds good to me! These people who think they know all about something when they don't have to worry about a problem wolf just blow my mind. I SAY WE do relocate them...Put them in all the big Cities and let them wreak havoc on those people for a change. Therer's plenty of dog's,cats, sheeple's kids and other non-thinkers who live in the Disneyland world of reality! Try "flagging" in your city lot and tell me how that works out! LOL Relocate!? WHERE!!?? How ’bout your backyard sounds good to me! These people who think they know all about something when they don’t have to worry about a problem wolf just blow my mind. I SAY WE do relocate them…Put them in all the big Cities and let them wreak havoc on those people for a change. Therer’s plenty of dog’s,cats, sheeple’s kids and other non-thinkers who live in the Disneyland world of reality! Try “flagging” in your city lot and tell me how that works out! LOL

]]> By: Greg Farber http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9641 Greg Farber Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:29:00 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9641 Relocation is another word for passing your troubles onto some one else and letting them suffer with it. Responsibility means dealing with your own troubles and moving on, you cant change a wolf from doing in cattle, or chasing kids, Relocation is not responsible, Destroying the wolf causing these problems is taking Responsibility for the problem. Relocation is another word for passing your troubles onto some one else and letting them suffer with it. Responsibility means dealing with your own troubles and moving on, you cant change a wolf from doing in cattle, or chasing kids, Relocation is not responsible, Destroying the wolf causing these problems is taking Responsibility for the problem.

]]> By: Greg Farber http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9640 Greg Farber Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:12:29 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9640 I have not had to kill one yet, but while doing my pack trips into Idaho Wilderness areas they are very interested in my where abouts and stay close, I will tie my stock out in the open and sleep during the day, Ive set out cups of amonia at night, seems to keep them away from coming in to close. I know that Idaho's prey base is dwindling down, we will start having more problems here when the wolves finally cant find food and move into town looking for pets, livestock, even a child. Hand gun training courses for women are up, Ive taught three ladies how to handle their new hand gun, folks do a lot of hiking here, I think its a good idea to go armed, a human can not fight one of these wolves on their level, you will lose. In the 1990s cougers were becoming a problem here during winter, moved into town and taking pets, staying in barns at night in the rafters or on top of the hay, we chased them with dogs, trapped them and moved them out, a lot of city folks appreciated that, now we have had a few mild winters and they have forgotten, now they want to stop us from chasing bears and cats, kinda ironic, 95% of the time we tree a bear or cat, thats it for the day, we leave and the treed critter goes about his biz, city folk think us country folk are terrible cruel people, until we stop messing with the predators and they get brazen again and move onto your porch, then they whine for our help, seems they remember for a short time we aint so bad then. Kinda funny thing is in the 1920s 30s cougers were protected in Idaho, guess what, there was a lot of cougers, fish and game would not listen to reason, coming from a lot of old timers back then either, one being the well known Elmer Keith, who happened to be a Ruger gun designer for Bill Ruger. Eventually Idaho's fish and game agency saw their mistake and let cougers be hunted again, they also went to Wyoming and bought a small elk herd, to repopulate Idaho with Elk. Seems these new fangled college educated buffoons running things now need a history lesson or two. I lived in the mountains my whole life, 48 years, I love it when city slickers come out to back pack or rock climb, they always look down their nose at us, and tell us every thing we are doing wrong, how we have hurt this wild country, they all want to protect it from us. funny thing is this place was fantastic before they came, Pristine, guess they can keep trying to make it better, I just keep riding in deeper to get away from them idiots. seems folks got no common sense no more. like I said before, them wolves better keep their distance, no chomping on my stock, no threatening me either, I got a great horse, I put one helluva lot of hard work into him, why he is even house broke, wolves touch my horse and Im gonna start huntin, I will not stop either. after all horses been here as long as wolves have, in fact all them critters been here as long as wolves has, Man has been here as long as wolves has, every species is land locked now, except wolves, that was not the way it was way back when, its an unfair advantage now, and its a stupid one. It shore is amazing how American's cant even think for themselves no more, I reckon when this place has a wipe out them folks will all starve to death, Me I reckon I will just go tree a bear, dig some roots, get a tator or two and have some stew. I have not had to kill one yet, but while doing my pack trips into Idaho Wilderness areas they are very interested in my where abouts and stay close, I will tie my stock out in the open and sleep during the day, Ive set out cups of amonia at night, seems to keep them away from coming in to close. I know that Idaho’s prey base is dwindling down, we will start having more problems here when the wolves finally cant find food and move into town looking for pets, livestock, even a child. Hand gun training courses for women are up, Ive taught three ladies how to handle their new hand gun, folks do a lot of hiking here, I think its a good idea to go armed, a human can not fight one of these wolves on their level, you will lose.

In the 1990s cougers were becoming a problem here during winter, moved into town and taking pets, staying in barns at night in the rafters or on top of the hay, we chased them with dogs, trapped them and moved them out, a lot of city folks appreciated that, now we have had a few mild winters and they have forgotten, now they want to stop us from chasing bears and cats, kinda ironic, 95% of the time we tree a bear or cat, thats it for the day, we leave and the treed critter goes about his biz, city folk think us country folk are terrible cruel people, until we stop messing with the predators and they get brazen again and move onto your porch, then they whine for our help, seems they remember for a short time we aint so bad then. Kinda funny thing is in the 1920s 30s cougers were protected in Idaho, guess what, there was a lot of cougers, fish and game would not listen to reason, coming from a lot of old timers back then either, one being the well known Elmer Keith, who happened to be a Ruger gun designer for Bill Ruger. Eventually Idaho’s fish and game agency saw their mistake and let cougers be hunted again, they also went to Wyoming and bought a small elk herd, to repopulate Idaho with Elk. Seems these new fangled college educated buffoons running things now need a history lesson or two.

I lived in the mountains my whole life, 48 years, I love it when city slickers come out to back pack or rock climb, they always look down their nose at us, and tell us every thing we are doing wrong, how we have hurt this wild country, they all want to protect it from us. funny thing is this place was fantastic before they came, Pristine, guess they can keep trying to make it better, I just keep riding in deeper to get away from them idiots. seems folks got no common sense no more. like I said before, them wolves better keep their distance, no chomping on my stock, no threatening me either, I got a great horse, I put one helluva lot of hard work into him, why he is even house broke, wolves touch my horse and Im gonna start huntin, I will not stop either. after all horses been here as long as wolves have, in fact all them critters been here as long as wolves has, Man has been here as long as wolves has, every species is land locked now, except wolves, that was not the way it was way back when, its an unfair advantage now, and its a stupid one. It shore is amazing how American’s cant even think for themselves no more, I reckon when this place has a wipe out them folks will all starve to death, Me I reckon I will just go tree a bear, dig some roots, get a tator or two and have some stew.

]]> By: oncebitten http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9530 oncebitten Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:03:33 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9530 I'd have to question whether you are the bionic woman if you saw a wolf from 5 miles away. It is silly to state you saw one if you were that far away. I would be happy to give you all of our child stalking wolves, and our livestock killing wolves as well. Keep in mind that our wolves supposedly have all the prey and habitat and land they can stand according to wildlife managers. Still they are displaying these abnormal behaviors. So, I'd have to say I agree with your statement, these wolves don't have the habitat so they are causing problems. Your 'we are good ranchers and you are bad ranchers' attitude cuts no ice here. There is no comparason between Oklahoma where you don't have the wolves and NM where we do. We also have cougars on our ranch probably 10 or more of them and they kill the occasional calf but nothing like these wolves. Bears are abundent as well, they also occasionally kill and still, nothing like these wolves. We are not portraying wolves as doing or being anything than what they are doing or being. I’d have to question whether you are the bionic woman if you saw a wolf from 5 miles away. It is silly to state you saw one if you were that far away.

I would be happy to give you all of our child stalking wolves, and our livestock killing wolves as well. Keep in mind that our wolves supposedly have all the prey and habitat and land they can stand according to wildlife managers. Still they are displaying these abnormal behaviors.
So, I’d have to say I agree with your statement, these wolves don’t have the habitat so they are causing problems.

Your ‘we are good ranchers and you are bad ranchers’ attitude cuts no ice here. There is no comparason between Oklahoma where you don’t have the wolves and NM where we do.

We also have cougars on our ranch probably 10 or more of them and they kill the occasional calf but nothing like these wolves. Bears are abundent as well, they also occasionally kill and still, nothing like these wolves.

We are not portraying wolves as doing or being anything than what they are doing or being.

]]> By: Karen Fields http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9528 Karen Fields Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:07:15 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-9528 We don't have any wolf packs and my rancher father loved hearing my view of a wolf. He's had a cougar on the ranch for years. In ten years, there's only been one calf lost due to "unknown" reasons. Dad used to play rabbit squeals to draw in the coyotes and kill the rabbits. He's not done that in several years. Maybe it's the cougar, maybe it's the weather, but the rabbit population is down and he's had a cougar at the water tanks. I saw a wolf five miles away and he was excited. Dad is a "land-management" kind of rancher. He's worked hard to restore grassland and native species. The cougar comes through in early Spring, gets a drink, and moves on. We're thrilled to see predators because that means the land is returning to a balance. The wolf was a natural predator in Oklahoma. If we see it's return, we're closer to a balance. If wolves have easy prey and lots of land, they don't stalk children, livestock and become a nuisance. I dislike the way this site portrays wolves. We don’t have any wolf packs and my rancher father loved hearing my view of a wolf. He’s had a cougar on the ranch for years. In ten years, there’s only been one calf lost due to “unknown” reasons.

Dad used to play rabbit squeals to draw in the coyotes and kill the rabbits. He’s not done that in several years. Maybe it’s the cougar, maybe it’s the weather, but the rabbit population is down and he’s had a cougar at the water tanks. I saw a wolf five miles away and he was excited.

Dad is a “land-management” kind of rancher. He’s worked hard to restore grassland and native species. The cougar comes through in early Spring, gets a drink, and moves on. We’re thrilled to see predators because that means the land is returning to a balance.

The wolf was a natural predator in Oklahoma. If we see it’s return, we’re closer to a balance.

If wolves have easy prey and lots of land, they don’t stalk children, livestock and become a nuisance. I dislike the way this site portrays wolves.

]]> By: admin http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-6748 admin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:41:32 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-6748 Tori, Nobody was as appalled as I was when the FWS managed to kill 13 wolves in a single pack last year while removing the Hon Dah pack from the white mountain reservation for multiple and unchecked livestock depredation. The number jumped so high because some dingbat chose to place small wolf pups I believe there were at least 5 of them, in an enclosure with two other alpha wolves and their pups, naively believing that the adult wolves would adopt them temporarily until the parents could be removed and brought in. The alpha male took all of a half day killing every single pup that was not his. The other 7 wolves were killed for various reasons, overheating due to capture, among other things. Yes, some of us are a little cold about killing the occasional wolf when need be. But then I hope you noticed in the actual post the rancher that was agressively accosted by the Campbell Blue wolf pack and had a rifle did not shoot one single wolf, even though according to the Rules he was entitled to do so. Nor did the rancher who's house and all he animals he keeps there were being harrassed by wolves, no wolves shot there. I also have to point out that the much maligned Wildlife Services officers who's job it is to kill the occasional wolf, were the very people this year to humanely and skillfully remove the Saddle pack. All 7 members of the pack were non-lethally removed even though it would have been easier to shoot the adults. Now thanks to their abilities, the 5 pups are available for re-release and have no stock killing habits to get them off to a bad start. I hope your heart is big enough to feel for some of the people and livestock featured on these pages it is not a one sided issue. Also, you must understand most re-locations are abject failures, the wolves seem to right back to the trouble spot and take up where they left off. It is no wonder that ranchers for the most part do preferr lethal control it guarantees them that a particular wolf with extremely bad depredation habits will be gone from the program and will not spread it's dubious skills to other wolves that may be behaving themselves somewhat. thanks for your comments. admin Tori,
Nobody was as appalled as I was when the FWS managed to kill 13 wolves in a single pack last year while removing the Hon Dah pack from the white mountain reservation for multiple and unchecked livestock depredation. The number jumped so high because some dingbat chose to place small wolf pups I believe there were at least 5 of them, in an enclosure with two other alpha wolves and their pups, naively believing that the adult wolves would adopt them temporarily until the parents could be removed and brought in. The alpha male took all of a half day killing every single pup that was not his. The other 7 wolves were killed for various reasons, overheating due to capture, among other things.

Yes, some of us are a little cold about killing the occasional wolf when need be. But then I hope you noticed in the actual post the rancher that was agressively accosted by the Campbell Blue wolf pack and had a rifle did not shoot one single wolf, even though according to the Rules he was entitled to do so. Nor did the rancher who’s house and all he animals he keeps there were being harrassed by wolves, no wolves shot there.

I also have to point out that the much maligned Wildlife Services officers who’s job it is to kill the occasional wolf, were the very people this year to humanely and skillfully remove the Saddle pack. All 7 members of the pack were non-lethally removed even though it would have been easier to shoot the adults. Now thanks to their abilities, the 5 pups are available for re-release and have no stock killing habits to get them off to a bad start.

I hope your heart is big enough to feel for some of the people and livestock featured on these pages it is not a one sided issue. Also, you must understand most re-locations are abject failures, the wolves seem to right back to the trouble spot and take up where they left off. It is no wonder that ranchers for the most part do preferr lethal control it guarantees them that a particular wolf with extremely bad depredation habits will be gone from the program and will not spread it’s dubious skills to other wolves that may be behaving themselves somewhat.
thanks for your comments. admin

]]> By: Tori Rosnack http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-6733 Tori Rosnack Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:51:38 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-6733 Wow, it sounds like somebody doesn't have a heart. Did you ever stop to think that wolves were here first? Yes, we do have a right to be here too, but there's no reason to selfishly kill them. There's such a thing as tranquilizing and relocation you know. Wow, it sounds like somebody doesn’t have a heart. Did you ever stop to think that wolves were here first? Yes, we do have a right to be here too, but there’s no reason to selfishly kill them. There’s such a thing as tranquilizing and relocation you know.

]]> By: Greg Farber http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-6204 Greg Farber Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:10:40 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/03/01/mexican-gray-wolves-in-the-wild/#comment-6204 I would not and will not tolerate this behaviour by any animal, man is above the animal on this planet, I will not run from the wolf, we need to drag these stupid supporters of this nonsense out into the brush and force them to deal with this threat up close and personal, I bet they will not like it very much at all, being stalked and prey tested by wolves sucks. I believe in the three S's shoot, shovel, shutup. New Mexican's invest in rubber bullets, and blunts for your arrows, cant kill them, well just sting them then. I can not believe a jury would convict you for self defense down there, is it that communist in New Mexico already. I would not and will not tolerate this behaviour by any animal, man is above the animal on this planet, I will not run from the wolf, we need to drag these stupid supporters of this nonsense out into the brush and force them to deal with this threat up close and personal, I bet they will not like it very much at all, being stalked and prey tested by wolves sucks. I believe in the three S’s shoot, shovel, shutup. New Mexican’s invest in rubber bullets, and blunts for your arrows, cant kill them, well just sting them then. I can not believe a jury would convict you for self defense down there, is it that communist in New Mexico already.

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