Comments on: Wolves Stalk Kids in Catron County http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/ Examination of the Wolf Reintroduction Program & Wolf Education Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:25:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Wolf Crossing » Blog Archive » 3 Wolf - Proof Bus Stop Shelters Go Up In New Mexico Community http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-13880 Wolf Crossing » Blog Archive » 3 Wolf - Proof Bus Stop Shelters Go Up In New Mexico Community Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:55:21 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-13880 [...] May of 2007 two Catron county Reserve School district school children were followed home from the bus stop by what appeared to be a Mexican wolf although later two sets of wolf tracks were found in the [...] […] May of 2007 two Catron county Reserve School district school children were followed home from the bus stop by what appeared to be a Mexican wolf although later two sets of wolf tracks were found in the […]

]]> By: Chelsea http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-13203 Chelsea Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:44:18 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-13203 So. I have a question. How do you know they were wolves and not wild dogs or hybrid wolf-dogs? Wolves have a deeply, DEEPLY ingrained fear of humans. But, wild dogs and hybrid wolf-dogs do not. If "wolves" are getting close to your town, couldn't they be reproducing with your dogs and creating non-human-fearing pups? Hybrids are also known to be quite viscious. So. I have a question. How do you know they were wolves and not wild dogs or hybrid wolf-dogs? Wolves have a deeply, DEEPLY ingrained fear of humans. But, wild dogs and hybrid wolf-dogs do not. If “wolves” are getting close to your town, couldn’t they be reproducing with your dogs and creating non-human-fearing pups? Hybrids are also known to be quite viscious.

]]> By: Kari http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-12220 Kari Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:38:15 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-12220 I happen to know the author and the children very well, and I am here to tell you idiots that this not a made up tale or hysterics! If the children said that animals were wolves then wolves they were. The young man is not one to tell fabricated stories if he did then the little girl would set the story straight in a heartbeat. We do not live in the area anymore but my heart goes out to the families that are having to deal with the idiots that are in charge of this program. While the wolf is one of gods most majestic animals, cunning, clever and a killing machine the so called wolves brought into this area are not pure breds. I am here to tell Brenda that I will take the kids over the summer after school gets out so she will know that they are safe and cared for. Brenda can count on me to watch over her children at anytime. Kari I happen to know the author and the children very well, and I am here to tell you idiots that this not a made up tale or hysterics! If the children said that animals were wolves then wolves they were. The young man is not one to tell fabricated stories if he did then the little girl would set the story straight in a heartbeat.
We do not live in the area anymore but my heart goes out to the families that are having to deal with the idiots that are in charge of this program. While the wolf is one of gods most majestic animals, cunning, clever and a killing machine the so called wolves brought into this area are not pure breds.
I am here to tell Brenda that I will take the kids over the summer after school gets out so she will know that they are safe and cared for. Brenda can count on me to watch over her children at anytime.
Kari

]]> By: WolvesGoneWild - Wolves, Press, Politics and the Environmental Extreme http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-11392 WolvesGoneWild - Wolves, Press, Politics and the Environmental Extreme Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:28:48 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-11392 [...] Two schoolchildren in Reserve say they were followed by a wolf while walking from their bus stop to their home about a half-mile away. Because of that and incidents of attacks on pets and killing of livestock by the reintroduced wolves, Reserve Independent Schools Superintendent Loren Cushman decided to wolf-proof school bus stops. Some proponents of the Mexican gray wolf reintroduction deride the shelters as a public relations ploy. Others merely dismiss it as overreaction or hysteria. There’s little evidence that the wolves pose any real threat, they argue, and there has been only one recorded case of a human being killed by wolves in North America in the last 100 years. A century of experience with wild wolves, however, may not be the most accurate predictor of the behavior of these wolves. Raised in captivity in closer contact with humans than their ancestors would ever choose to be, they were fed instead of having to hunt down lunch, then set loose to figure out how to live in a different kind of world. These wolves come with no guarantees. Following children could be a behavior rooted in curiosity, not hunger. But it is easy to predict that most human mothers aren’t going to ponder the behavior of wolves if it involves their own pups. Superintendent Cushman said building the wolf-proof shelters, regardless of “whether a person is pro or con wolf,” is the right thing to do. Reserve parents and school officials say they feel better having a safe place for kids. It’s their decision to make, and it’s not costing taxpayers anywhere else in the state anything. It’s easy for city dwellers to mock or discount rural residents anxieties— too easy Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] […] Two schoolchildren in Reserve say they were followed by a wolf while walking from their bus stop to their home about a half-mile away. Because of that and incidents of attacks on pets and killing of livestock by the reintroduced wolves, Reserve Independent Schools Superintendent Loren Cushman decided to wolf-proof school bus stops. Some proponents of the Mexican gray wolf reintroduction deride the shelters as a public relations ploy. Others merely dismiss it as overreaction or hysteria. There’s little evidence that the wolves pose any real threat, they argue, and there has been only one recorded case of a human being killed by wolves in North America in the last 100 years. A century of experience with wild wolves, however, may not be the most accurate predictor of the behavior of these wolves. Raised in captivity in closer contact with humans than their ancestors would ever choose to be, they were fed instead of having to hunt down lunch, then set loose to figure out how to live in a different kind of world. These wolves come with no guarantees. Following children could be a behavior rooted in curiosity, not hunger. But it is easy to predict that most human mothers aren’t going to ponder the behavior of wolves if it involves their own pups. Superintendent Cushman said building the wolf-proof shelters, regardless of “whether a person is pro or con wolf,” is the right thing to do. Reserve parents and school officials say they feel better having a safe place for kids. It’s their decision to make, and it’s not costing taxpayers anywhere else in the state anything. It’s easy for city dwellers to mock or discount rural residents anxieties— too easy Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. […]

]]> By: Wolf Crossing » Blog Archive » Editorial Abq. Journal Today, Someone Gets it. Proximity is the problem. When you have no proximity you have no problem with the way these wolves are behaving. http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-11275 Wolf Crossing » Blog Archive » Editorial Abq. Journal Today, Someone Gets it. Proximity is the problem. When you have no proximity you have no problem with the way these wolves are behaving. Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:27:12 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-11275 [...] Two schoolchildren in Reserve say they were followed by a wolf while walking from their bus stop to their home about a half-mile away. Because of that and incidents of attacks on pets and killing of livestock by the reintroduced wolves, Reserve Independent Schools Superintendent Loren Cushman decided to wolf-proof school bus stops. Some proponents of the Mexican gray wolf reintroduction deride the shelters as a public relations ploy. Others merely dismiss it as overreaction or hysteria. There’s little evidence that the wolves pose any real threat, they argue, and there has been only one recorded case of a human being killed by wolves in North America in the last 100 years. A century of experience with wild wolves, however, may not be the most accurate predictor of the behavior of these wolves. Raised in captivity in closer contact with humans than their ancestors would ever choose to be, they were fed instead of having to hunt down lunch, then set loose to figure out how to live in a different kind of world. These wolves come with no guarantees. Following children could be a behavior rooted in curiosity, not hunger. But it is easy to predict that most human mothers aren’t going to ponder the behavior of wolves if it involves their own pups. Superintendent Cushman said building the wolf-proof shelters, regardless of “whether a person is pro or con wolf,” is the right thing to do. Reserve parents and school officials say they feel better having a safe place for kids. It’s their decision to make, and it’s not costing taxpayers anywhere else in the state anything. It’s easy for city dwellers to mock or discount rural residents anxieties— too easy Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] […] Two schoolchildren in Reserve say they were followed by a wolf while walking from their bus stop to their home about a half-mile away. Because of that and incidents of attacks on pets and killing of livestock by the reintroduced wolves, Reserve Independent Schools Superintendent Loren Cushman decided to wolf-proof school bus stops. Some proponents of the Mexican gray wolf reintroduction deride the shelters as a public relations ploy. Others merely dismiss it as overreaction or hysteria. There’s little evidence that the wolves pose any real threat, they argue, and there has been only one recorded case of a human being killed by wolves in North America in the last 100 years. A century of experience with wild wolves, however, may not be the most accurate predictor of the behavior of these wolves. Raised in captivity in closer contact with humans than their ancestors would ever choose to be, they were fed instead of having to hunt down lunch, then set loose to figure out how to live in a different kind of world. These wolves come with no guarantees. Following children could be a behavior rooted in curiosity, not hunger. But it is easy to predict that most human mothers aren’t going to ponder the behavior of wolves if it involves their own pups. Superintendent Cushman said building the wolf-proof shelters, regardless of “whether a person is pro or con wolf,” is the right thing to do. Reserve parents and school officials say they feel better having a safe place for kids. It’s their decision to make, and it’s not costing taxpayers anywhere else in the state anything. It’s easy for city dwellers to mock or discount rural residents anxieties— too easy Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. […]

]]> By: WolvesGoneWild - Wolves, Press, Politics and the Environmental Extreme http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-11012 WolvesGoneWild - Wolves, Press, Politics and the Environmental Extreme Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:25:31 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-11012 [...] wolves here are so tame they are even stalking (oops I mean following) school children home from school. While our Governor (and presidential candidate) Bill Richardson thinks it is [...] […] wolves here are so tame they are even stalking (oops I mean following) school children home from school. While our Governor (and presidential candidate) Bill Richardson thinks it is […]

]]> By: janell http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-10903 janell Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:04:02 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-10903 Wolves will attack humans!bHabituated animals are dangerous and these wolves are displaying habituated behavior and are one step away from attacking these biologists need to learn a bit more about animal behavior. Wolves will attack humans!bHabituated animals are dangerous and these wolves are displaying habituated behavior and are one step away from attacking these biologists need to learn a bit more about animal behavior.

]]> By: admin http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-10892 admin Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:02:00 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-10892 OK Watzen, how do you, in all your reasonableness explain the following? http://wolfcrossing.org/?p=632 http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/2007/11/05/mcnay-report-carnegie-case-excerpt/mcnay-conclusions-carnegie-case-editedpdf/ http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/2007/11/09/wolf-pack-incidents-luna-pack-threatens-hikers-and-hunters/ As far as your ridiculous claim that wolves don't attack from the front explain this, the photo was taken by Wildlife Services of a collared Mexican wolf doing his thing. Bites were all over this yearlings head. Single wolves often attack from the front. http://wolfcrossing.org/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=wolf-program-photos&pp_image=photo_WolfBitingYearlingCalf.jpg I would sure love to hear your analysis of the above documents and photo's. I imagine the rest of our readers would too, since you believe WE are ignorant and have done so little research. I would have to venture the opinion that you need to do a bit more studying on the subject yourself before you come to this site and yell at our members and readers. OK Watzen, how do you, in all your reasonableness explain the following?
http://wolfcrossing.org/?p=632

http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/2007/11/05/mcnay-report-carnegie-case-excerpt/mcnay-conclusions-carnegie-case-editedpdf/

http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/2007/11/09/wolf-pack-incidents-luna-pack-threatens-hikers-and-hunters/

As far as your ridiculous claim that wolves don’t attack from the front explain this, the photo was taken by Wildlife Services of a collared Mexican wolf doing his thing. Bites were all over this yearlings head. Single wolves often attack from the front.

http://wolfcrossing.org/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=wolf-program-photos&pp_image=photo_WolfBitingYearlingCalf.jpg

I would sure love to hear your analysis of the above documents and photo’s. I imagine the rest of our readers would too, since you believe WE are ignorant and have done so little research. I would have to venture the opinion that you need to do a bit more studying on the subject yourself before you come to this site and yell at our members and readers.

]]> By: watzen http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-10887 watzen Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:08:31 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-10887 WOLVES DO NOT HUNT HUMANS PERIOD THEY ARE AFRAID OF HUMANS YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE BIT BY A SHARK OR STRUCK BY LIGHTNING BEFORE BEING BIT OR ATTACKED BY A WOLF. THERE ARE NO DOCUMENTED CASSES OF AN UN-PROVOLKED WOLFE ATTACK ON A HUMAN EVER. DON'T START A NATIONAL PANIC BECAUSE YOUR KIDS HAPPENED TO SEE (WHAT THEY THOUGHT COULD BE A) WOLF. HOWEVER THEY ARE VERY CURIOUS ANIMAL AND WOULD WATCH OR OBSERVE A HUMAN OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL IF THEY DID NOT FEEL THREATENED. A LOUD NOISE WOULD CERTIANLY SCARE THEM AWAY AND THE FACT THAT YOUR CHILDREN RAN AWAY AND DID NOT GET CHASED OR ATTACKED PROVES THERE IS NO INTEREST IN HUMAN FOR FOOD. DURING HUNTING WHEN PREY RUNS THEY PURSUE THEY WILL NOT ATTACK FROM THE FRONT EITHER (LIKE A LION OR TIGER) SO IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO SEE A WOLF AND FEEL THREATENED JUST DON'T LET HIM BEHIND YOU. AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE BLURTING OUT YOUR IGNORANCE... ALL OF YOU... WOLVES DO NOT HUNT HUMANS PERIOD THEY ARE AFRAID OF HUMANS YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE BIT BY A SHARK OR STRUCK BY LIGHTNING BEFORE BEING BIT OR ATTACKED BY A WOLF. THERE ARE NO DOCUMENTED CASSES OF AN UN-PROVOLKED WOLFE ATTACK ON A HUMAN EVER. DON’T START A NATIONAL PANIC BECAUSE YOUR KIDS HAPPENED TO SEE (WHAT THEY THOUGHT COULD BE A) WOLF. HOWEVER THEY ARE VERY CURIOUS ANIMAL AND WOULD WATCH OR OBSERVE A HUMAN OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL IF THEY DID NOT FEEL THREATENED. A LOUD NOISE WOULD CERTIANLY SCARE THEM AWAY AND THE FACT THAT YOUR CHILDREN RAN AWAY AND DID NOT GET CHASED OR ATTACKED PROVES THERE IS NO INTEREST IN HUMAN FOR FOOD. DURING HUNTING WHEN PREY RUNS THEY PURSUE THEY WILL NOT ATTACK FROM THE FRONT EITHER (LIKE A LION OR TIGER) SO IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO SEE A WOLF AND FEEL THREATENED JUST DON’T LET HIM BEHIND YOU. AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE BLURTING OUT YOUR IGNORANCE… ALL OF YOU…

]]> By: Wolf Crossing » Blog Archive » Southwest Environmental Center Wolf Lecture Series Subjective http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-8526 Wolf Crossing » Blog Archive » Southwest Environmental Center Wolf Lecture Series Subjective Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:39:25 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2007/05/25/wolves-stalk-kids-in-catron-county/#comment-8526 [...] pen raised Mexican wolves are regularly seen at ranch headquarters and homes, in one case wolves followed children home from a bus stop and in several cases other children have had wolves in proximity to them and [...] […] pen raised Mexican wolves are regularly seen at ranch headquarters and homes, in one case wolves followed children home from a bus stop and in several cases other children have had wolves in proximity to them and […]

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