Comments for Wolf Crossing http://wolfcrossing.org Examination of the Wolf Reintroduction Program & Wolf Education Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:05:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by Greg Farber http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18521 Greg Farber Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:13 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18521 http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd378.htm http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd378.htm

]]> Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by Frank "Two Jump" Morris http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18503 Frank "Two Jump" Morris Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:03:35 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18503 Well put Mary. A perfect example being the rather two faced behavior of Dr. Ben Tuggle. When first I met the good Dr. I thought him well reasoned and affable. However his views seem to have changed of late. Or, (and I now think more likely) at a meeting last year he was just blowing smoke and this simple rural western bumkin bought his line. It is indeed odd that the wolf program is so "dynamic". Ever changing. The study area must be enlarged, the population expanded, rural opinion marginalized and always, always the hew and cry for more money! Sounds like the program was poorly thought out in the first place and was never about wolf recovery and "balance", but more about control. At that same meeting Dr. Tuggle recognized the fact that many in rural America distrusted Govt. Why would ya suppose that is? I would never be so crude as to refer to Dr. Tuggle and his minions at USFW, AZGF and NMGF as chicken sh*t, but they sure have hen house ways. To expect any kind of honorable behavior from political appointees who must constantly change a failed program to keep it afloat, in order to justify their own position on the gumment gravy train is just more than we taxpayers should expect. Well put Mary.
A perfect example being the rather two faced behavior of Dr. Ben Tuggle. When first I met the good Dr. I thought him well reasoned and affable. However his views seem to have changed of late. Or, (and I now think more likely) at a meeting last year he was just blowing smoke and this simple rural western bumkin bought his line. It is indeed odd that the wolf program is so “dynamic”. Ever changing. The study area must be enlarged, the population expanded, rural opinion marginalized and always, always the hew and cry for more money!
Sounds like the program was poorly thought out in the first place and was never about wolf recovery and “balance”, but more about control. At that same meeting Dr. Tuggle recognized the fact that many in rural America distrusted Govt. Why would ya suppose that is?
I would never be so crude as to refer to Dr. Tuggle and his minions at USFW, AZGF and NMGF as chicken sh*t, but they sure have hen house ways. To expect any kind of honorable behavior from political appointees who must constantly change a failed program to keep it afloat, in order to justify their own position on the gumment gravy train is just more than we taxpayers should expect.

]]> Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by Mary Macnab http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18489 Mary Macnab Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:15:35 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18489 I was actually being facetious about the deluded public servants being on the same train with the rest of us to make a point. But your point about the value of honerable existance is well taken here. Reading lately a cross-section on historic indian feelings about honorable behavior I find it some what universal that maintaining human dignity means not only being honorable towards others, but also, as you say Greg, being allowed to choose your own life, and death with dignity. It seems that to live in dignity we must not only have respect for others but also vigorously protect and defend ourselves against those who would do us harm. Just how the fathers of our Constitution admonished us to behave. It is only healthy to thrive on independance. Self sufficiency seems to be one of the strengths still retained by many in rural areas This is probably one of the underlying reasons their cultures are targeted so by those in the one-world corporate resource and people control business. One could certainly view their promotion of today's totally phony and agendized 'environmentalism' for what it is. An oh so successful control and acquisition device useful to the barely human ends of their debased overlords. Rural independance defies control and thus the attempt to squash it. Just look at the scientific facts of all past wolf programs as they reach the 'stated' population goal that musty then be the launching point for another much larger population goal in the same area till it seems that phony science woud have the entire landscape seething with wolves. The see if those pesky independant honorables can survive! You can tell an agendized situation like this wolf program. The constant clamor of misinformation and distortion is apparent to those who have studied the reality rather than 'promoted' an agenda the twisting facts or outright lying to support it. The whole atmosphere around this wolf program reeks of this dishonorable behavior and its harm to the innocent people and animals alike. If truthful information is withheld from the public they are affectively prevented from actually weighing in honestly on the real issues of this program or even comprehending it at all. We are all victimized by this low level behavior. I was actually being facetious about the deluded public servants being on the same train with the rest of us to make a point. But your point about the value of honerable existance is well taken here.
Reading lately a cross-section on historic indian feelings about honorable behavior I find it some what universal that maintaining human dignity means not only being honorable towards others, but also, as you say Greg, being allowed to choose your own life, and death with dignity. It seems that to live in dignity we must not only have respect for others but also vigorously protect and defend ourselves against those who would do us harm. Just how the fathers of our Constitution admonished us to behave.

It is only healthy to thrive on independance. Self sufficiency seems to be one of the strengths still retained by many in rural areas This is probably one of the underlying reasons their cultures are targeted so by those in the one-world corporate resource and people control business. One could certainly view their promotion of today’s totally phony and agendized ‘environmentalism’ for what it is. An oh so successful control and acquisition device useful to the barely human ends of their debased overlords. Rural independance defies control and thus the attempt to squash it. Just look at the scientific facts of all past wolf programs as they reach the ’stated’ population goal that musty then be the launching point for another much larger population goal in the same area till it seems that phony science woud have the entire landscape seething with wolves. The see if those pesky independant honorables can survive!

You can tell an agendized situation like this wolf program. The constant clamor of misinformation and distortion is apparent to those who have studied the reality rather than ‘promoted’ an agenda the twisting facts or outright lying to support it. The whole atmosphere around this wolf program reeks of this dishonorable behavior and its harm to the innocent people and animals alike.

If truthful information is withheld from the public they are affectively prevented from actually weighing in honestly on the real issues of this program or even comprehending it at all. We are all victimized by this low level behavior.

]]> Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by Greg Farber http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18477 Greg Farber Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:42:00 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18477 Well I intend to never make the trip to some gulag, especially riding with rounded up traitors who will be sniveling and leaking BIG TEARS as I will keep my boots on, my powder dry, and I will never forget the lesson's learned from the historical implications of Geronimo's surrender, he died in a cage miserable and drunk. The Apache had every thing stolen from them, the same government has turned against us. I shall choose my own death in my own time, they can steal every thing from me, but my own mind, they never had a chance at stealing my thoughts and actions, those will always be mine own. Screw em. They lied to Geronimo and stole an honorable death from him. Well I intend to never make the trip to some gulag, especially riding with rounded up traitors who will be sniveling and leaking BIG TEARS as I will keep my boots on, my powder dry, and I will never forget the lesson’s learned from the historical implications of Geronimo’s surrender, he died in a cage miserable and drunk. The Apache had every thing stolen from them, the same government has turned against us. I shall choose my own death in my own time, they can steal every thing from me, but my own mind, they never had a chance at stealing my thoughts and actions, those will always be mine own. Screw em. They lied to Geronimo and stole an honorable death from him.

]]> Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by Mary Macnab http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18474 Mary Macnab Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:53:21 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18474 So true Two-Jump. I'm afraid the poor wolfies both in agency and out are mostly just too mired in the melieu to achieve any honest perspective about history, appropriate behavior toward others, and science - all tragically compromised into PR and actions which have only a sad unrealistic semblance of the truths of the matter. In their roles as useful idiots they have been intentionally geared by those in control to abuse rural peoples and lands, forests etc. all to the apparent end of a much more sinister agenda. They just can't see that soon they will be in the same lifeboat or train to Florida as the case may be, with the rest of us. So true Two-Jump. I’m afraid the poor wolfies both in agency and out are mostly just too mired in the melieu to achieve any honest perspective about history, appropriate behavior toward others, and science - all tragically compromised into PR and actions which have only a sad unrealistic semblance of the truths of the matter. In their roles as useful idiots they have been intentionally geared by those in control to abuse rural peoples and lands, forests etc. all to the apparent end of a much more sinister agenda.

They just can’t see that soon they will be in the same lifeboat or train to Florida as the case may be, with the rest of us.

]]> Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by Frank"Two Jump"Morris http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18466 Frank"Two Jump"Morris Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:36:22 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18466 Bill, The duplicity of the USFW, USFS, DoWL, and all the rest. Along with our own judicial system is apparent. However, they miss one glaring point. Back in the late 1800's the Gumment was huntin' a fella by the name of Geronimo. You may of heard of him? Anyway, the pony soldiers hunted him for years before they figured out that to catch an Apache you had to use an Apache. So, Apache scouts were inlisted to help bring the renagde to heel. The scouts all thought this a grand thing. Each one got some money, fresh ponys as needed, food, a blue coat, rifle and ammunition. PLUS THE ADDED BONUS Once ol Geronimo was gone they would have all of Apacaria to themselves! But wait. The Gumment had other plans. Once the radical Geronimo was captured, the scouts were no longer needed. They quit gettin' money and bullets, The coats with shiny buttons were taken away, they were all of the sudden afootback and got shoved up on the wagons with all the other Apaches and were off to Florida. Mind you this was some time before Florida had shuffle board and was fit for bluehairs. In our own time. Over cross the pond in Germany. Seems the Nazis were havin' trouble roundin' up those pesky Jews. So, they inlisted Jewish scouts............ Those folks got put on the trains too. All they wanted was to move to Florida. Poor deluded "wolfies" . Willing pawns, useful idiots. They think that the wilds of the west will be an eden withuot the evil rancher and rapacious hunter. An eden all their own. "Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it" Bill,
The duplicity of the USFW, USFS, DoWL, and all the rest. Along with our own judicial system is apparent. However, they miss one glaring point. Back in the late 1800’s the Gumment was huntin’ a fella by the name of Geronimo. You may of heard of him?
Anyway, the pony soldiers hunted him for years before they figured out that to catch an Apache you had to use an Apache. So, Apache scouts were inlisted to help bring the renagde to heel. The scouts all thought this a grand thing. Each one got some money, fresh ponys as needed, food, a blue coat, rifle and ammunition. PLUS THE ADDED BONUS Once ol Geronimo was gone they would have all of Apacaria to themselves! But wait. The Gumment had other plans. Once the radical Geronimo was captured, the scouts were no longer needed. They quit gettin’ money and bullets, The coats with shiny buttons were taken away, they were all of the sudden afootback and got shoved up on the wagons with all the other Apaches and were off to Florida.
Mind you this was some time before Florida had shuffle board and was fit for bluehairs.
In our own time. Over cross the pond in Germany. Seems the Nazis were havin’ trouble roundin’ up those pesky Jews. So, they inlisted Jewish scouts…………
Those folks got put on the trains too. All they wanted was to move to Florida.
Poor deluded “wolfies” . Willing pawns, useful idiots. They think that the wilds of the west will be an eden withuot the evil rancher and rapacious hunter. An eden all their own.
“Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it”

]]> Comment on Truth about Mexican Wolf Program - Hijacked by Biased Personnell by Mike D. http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/truth-about-mexican-wolf-program-hijacked-by-biased-personnell/#comment-18464 Mike D. Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:58:57 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/truth-about-mexican-wolf-program-hijacked-by-biased-personnell/#comment-18464 On target twice. Despite the PR spin, hybridization and habituation are not going away. The MGW Program has serious deficiencies that happy talk will not dispel. On target twice. Despite the PR spin, hybridization and habituation are not going away. The MGW Program has serious deficiencies that happy talk will not dispel.

]]> Comment on Idaho officials, wolf advocates react to ruling by mike9999 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18449 mike9999 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:10:54 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/idaho-officials-wolf-advocates-react-to-ruling/#comment-18449 Ya you can blame some of it on these liberals that run washington state. Its an around about way to say we got predators we don't need hunters. So then the anti-gun people can step forward and say no hunting, so they don't need guns. I think this could be a big turning point for all of us people who love hunting. And it makes me sick! Ya you can blame some of it on these liberals that run washington state. Its an around about way to say we got predators we don’t need hunters. So then the anti-gun people can step forward and say no hunting, so they don’t need guns. I think this could be a big turning point for all of us people who love hunting. And it makes me sick!

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]]> Comment on Truth about Mexican Wolf Program - Hijacked by Biased Personnell by admin http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/truth-about-mexican-wolf-program-hijacked-by-biased-personnell/#comment-18374 admin Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:39:56 +0000 http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/07/19/truth-about-mexican-wolf-program-hijacked-by-biased-personnell/#comment-18374 Really? Are we truly interpreting habituation of released animals as something that isn't really occuring and it doesn't really matter as long as they run from people while in captivity? FWS needs to understand those comments are not about THEM. they are about kids seeing wolves lying on their front lawns and following them horseback and backing them up against trees. Are they really going to go there with an ignore the affected people and lets get on with whatever we want to do mentality? That has really shown to work for them so far. But then, this is the same P.R. person who is freaked out with three shot wolves when nearly four times as many died from mismanagement and ignorance of wildlife behavior by program employees. They really need new PR the spin is just too ridiculous. Really? Are we truly interpreting habituation of released animals as something that isn’t really occuring and it doesn’t really matter as long as they run from people while in captivity?

FWS needs to understand those comments are not about THEM. they are about kids seeing wolves lying on their front lawns and following them horseback and backing them up against trees.

Are they really going to go there with an ignore the affected people and lets get on with whatever we want to do mentality?

That has really shown to work for them so far. But then, this is the same P.R. person who is freaked out with three shot wolves when nearly four times as many died from mismanagement and ignorance of wildlife behavior by program employees.

They really need new PR the spin is just too ridiculous.

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